Is the Ascendant just a “mask”? Or can it become the dominant factor depending on the chart?
I can’t tell you how many arguments I seen online about the importance of the Ascendant it makes me nauseous. A lot of people state they cannot believe the Sun Sign is the “real you” because their personality is almost exactly like their Ascendant. Even among professional astrologers, they seem divided on the Ascendant’s role. Mainstream professionals insist the Sun Sign is the determining factor (some like Linda Goodman even state the “soul”) and the Ascendant is just a first impression. Other astrologers state that the Sun is not important and is only general tendencies in life but the Ascendant is the most important placement in the chart. One of the top contributors of Yahoo Answers’ Horoscopes section, Antares, has repeatedly stated the Ascendant is “You” and in ancient astrology, professional astrologers considered the Ascendant as the determining factor of the chart. Some translated texts I came across even state the Ascendant is the SOUL.
Having studied and interacted with a lot of people of a variety of charts and particularly having compared some people with similar patterns, I honestly believe the importance of the Ascendant really is configured towards the INDIVIDUAL. For a number of people I studied, the Ascendant is just a mask and once you get to know them all their Ascendant’s traits are thrown off. For others, the Ascendant is the DOMINANT trait of their personality.
I know a Virgo with Sagittarius as the Ascendant. He is TRULY Saggie at the core and even if you lived with this Virgo for years (we share the same house to save expenses), you cannot see his Virgo Sun. About the only thing Virgonian about him is his tendency to arrange things neatly but other than that he is not Virgo. You cannot even see the Capricorn in him (Capricorn is his Moon Sign). In his case, I have no doubt the Sagittarius Ascendant is the DOMINANT factor and I would even go as far as saying that his soul must be Sagittarian XDD. His chart states Sagittarius as the dominant sign and his Jupiter has lots of aspects.
For other people the Ascendant is not a mere mask. Not the dominant placement but the Asc’s traits are genuine parts of the person’s personality even after you get beyond the mask and known the person for a while. Basically you can not only see the Sun Sign and Ascendant combined but also traits of the Moon as you interact with this person.
For others, they may have been more like their Ascendant but have grown into their Sun Sign. Wikipedia supports this with its article on the Ascendant, stating “people become more like their sun sign after around 29 years old, as they grow older and more confident and thus have less of a need to present a public face to others.”
For others its the inverse. To use myself as an example, I was the stereotypical Pisces male in almost every way for much of my childhood in teen years (with some Scorpio traits such as vindictive personality, tendency to hold grudges for insane periods, willingness to use physical violence to lash at others esp. if the person was trying to bully me, insane lustful tendencies, and a perverse fascination with wars and the military). After life-shattering experiences back in 2012 and more so recently this year, rather than shedding of my Ascendant, I actually grew even more and more like my Ascendant and now minus a few bad habits I’m gradually losing I am Scorpio at the core as far as my personality goes. Granted my chart states I am a Scorpio dominant 14.4% and Scorpio Pluto dominant 17.7% (with lots of very powerful aspects to Pluto) and those life-changing experiences were really rude wake-up calls (and they also activated the Capricorn dominance in me and made me grow more Capricornish) but my personal story is an example of how the Sun the overall factor in my personality but was gradually overtaken by the Ascendant.
Other astrological systems like the Vedic system and medieval astrology all emphasize the Ascendant as the core of the personality.
So my conclusion is that it varies from individuals depending not only on how the Ascendant is placed in the chart (esp. aspects to the Asc and its ruler and what planets are in the 1st house) but heavily on external factors too like upbringing, culture, physical affections, and life experiences (like in my case), and also transits. I would say the Asc. specifically configures to the individual himself in how powerful it becomes in the chart.
I forgot to add another example. Some people are NEVER like their ascendant at all. When I first met them they were very much like their Sun Signs and there is now way in hell I could believe their Ascendant was of a sign that is completely different in personality from their Sun Sign when I calculated it. About the only accurate thing about the Ascendant was either their physical appearance and health (which often matched the Asc’s description) or the houses assigned to that Asc and the planets inhabiting them. So for a few people. the Ascendant is virtually nonexistent save from physical influence.
Answer by Witch, please!
the ascendant is not more or less important based on the rest of the chart. i woudl say though, that a person who is the complete expression of their ascendant might be experiencing an inner identity crisis/ a lack of self. that isn’t, mind you, to negate the importance of the ascendant over all. it is the beginning of your chart, and it contains your world view, your first approach to everything. which side of the bed you get up in the morning, DOES matter.
Answer by ChainLightnin’
I never understood the Ascendant. Especially since planets are supposed to emit their energies, the power of the Ascendant come from nothing. Also strong enough to physically change the body? Don’t get it.
I skipped the novel, if you didn’t mind.
The ascendant is a facade. It is of equal importance as every other aspect of the chart. Planets aspecting the ascendant or planets in the 1st can completely alter the ascendant. The ruler of the ascendant gives insight too. Look into what decan and duad the ascendant is in too.
To the other user : it does NOT become prominent and more integrated into the personality if its same element is elsewhere in the chart.
Answer by Michelle
I didn’t read your entire page. I will after I answer but to give a quick answer or thought…
The ascendant can be more prominent and more integrated into the personality if its same element is elsewhere in the chart, like the Moon, Venus or Mercury. The ascendant can act like a gate keeper allowing or holding off things that are expressed easily or not. A person with an ascendant who’s element isn’t else where in chart, this ascendant will act more alone.
From my notes:
“The Ascendant is the most identified with but also controls the expression of every point in the chart. It decides what enters the inner grounds and what is expressed within. It can/is so important that even a person who does not have that element of their Rising in their chart, they’ll still come across as that element.
In fact, if you want to know what planets will express themselves easily in the person’s chart, you focus on the element of the Rising. They have a “free pass” to express themselves wholeheartedly, because they are more deeply seen as “self” and expressed outwardly to the world.
When your Rising is not supported by the other planets, then you tend yourself to have more of the qualities of the Rising sign than you actually do. (In Earth, you may sign up for more responsibilities than is healthy for you, in Air you might interact more than you wish to, in Water you may retreat or keep more inside than is healthy. In Fire you may push yourself to express more than is appropriate, and may leap in where more fear to trend).”
EDIT:: Woooow.. I just read your page. Super interesting! I was just thinking about this myself last night. My sister has asked me to look over her friends chart. The friend has Leo Rising but Libra Sun and Virgo Moon. I expected the friend, when I met later last night, to be very out-going straight off the bat. But she wasn’t. At least not then. She was quiet, held back, polite… Anyway, my point is that I have been researching and wondering the same thing in regards to people’s Sun and Ascendant. Its interesting that in ancient astrology and in Vedic that they consider the Ascendant the soul. I havn’t yet dove into ancient astrology but.. From my understand of the Sun sign, it is what we are here to ACHIEVE. Or what we will experience or how we will grow. If the Ascendant is your most identified, your most easily experienced, even maybe most natural self… Then I could see how it could be said to the “soul” and the Sun is what we came into this life to experience and grow as.
I think also, it is important to consider and look at PROGRESSED charts during the times may identify with their Ascendant/Sun sign. Progressed charts are like phases you go through and so a person may be more identified if their progressed planets are in agreement with the element of the Sun or Ascendant.
Why do some people exhibit more of the Sun sign as opposed to their Rising? Or other their Rising and not their Sun? Why do people stop identifying with the Sun and more with the Asc.? Like the information above states, its helpful to look at the other supporting planets in the chart and the progressed. Perhaps also transits. I haven’t had the opportunity to study as many charts as I would like but look forward to figuring out this little mystery. It suits my Mercury in Scorpio.
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